新浪博客
时间：2011.11.13
地点：西班牙巴塞罗那
媒体：La
人物：马清运
l：In China there has been built many skyscrapers these recent years, Most of them following the western aesthetic. Why?
M: Many towers have been erected without a soul. I want to believe that we in an epoch of transition. But, the truth is we don’t know where.
l：What would be your alternative to this time?
M: We should go to a more transitory architecture, and build thinking that buildings will not last forever.
l：Are you talking about that we should build ephemeral skyscrapers, throwaway?
M: I understand that this concept clashes with the Western mind. But in China the idea of indefinite has less weight.
What I mean is that here (in west), each generation believes that is better than its predecessor, and better than the next one. That everything they do is what should remain. This idea deprives us of the future.China is good ground for experimentation. We should take, this chance to reinvent architecture.
l：Why are not built in China more skyscrapers reflecting clearly the local tradition?
M: Many of those who build towers, have not studied the essence of our society. I try to go to the heart
l：How to do better?
M: Western architects prefer to act individually.In China, the working way includes extensive professional platforms, combining and exchanging knowledge. Architecture may be the result of dialogue that a particular criterion.
l：What is appreciated architects there Western?
M: About Spanish architects,we appreciate their attention to detail, their ability to combine materials and the quality of their design.I will also tell you what we do not appreciate:their tendency to design houses ascubes. I do not understand. You have you wonderful architects,like Antoni Gaudí, who produced sensual forms.
l：What we must attribute your inclination for the sensual?
M: The poetry and the visual arts have still an important role in the formation of the sensitivity of Chinese citizens. The cubes are too abstract for us.
l：You have lived between China and EE.UU. What about the architecture done in the U.S.?
M: I do not like the architectural practice in the EE.UU, it can be devastating, and not only in economic terms. It must be reformulated. I preach an architecture that should be social motor, not a market order, not a tool serving the market, as happens in the States.We can restructure our profession or we surrender right to the market. If not react to the harassment of the industry and software we will lose our own space.
l：And what about the architecture China?
M: It has possibilities. I am no longer presenting myself there as an architect, but as a design developer.I use my knowledge in design in order to propose projects to attract investors.
l：Would you say to young Spanish architects that China is a land of opportunities?
M: Yes , for two reasons . There are many buildings to be constructed . And here the architects are well formed. If you go to China, will to invest in time and attitude; and quickly become familiar with our customs.
l：What are your favorite buildings in China?
M: The China Television Tower raised by the Dutchman Rem Koolhaas, the Capital Tower in Beijing, and a house in Xian designed by my father.
l：Is your father an architect?
M: No. He was a tailor. But as he told me once, 'your dress is the first layer of architecture.